Why is there still a migrant crisis in Europe? (audio)

I had the honour to be interviewed for BBC Radio 4’s The Briefing Room, explaining how a migrant would use a smuggler to get from West Africa to the Mediterranean.

It was super to also hear the commentary of Mattia Toaldo of the European Council on Foreign Relations, as well as two other experts from IOM and the EU.  Together we explain the complex convergence of forces and dynamics that make this such a knotty problem to solve.

Many thanks to BBC Radio 4 and host, David Aaronovitch for a great exchange.

You can listen to the recording here or by clicking on the image.

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